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| Subject: Looking forward to it! |
| Posted by: David Alcock |
| Date: 30-Sep-2008 |
| This is going to be great! I'm looking forward to competing and helping out -I hope it takes off! Everyone should try to make it an aim to invite at least one friend to this ultra-accessible trio of events! David. |
| Subject: Start window |
| Posted by: T5 |
| Date: 26-Oct-2008 |
| Any idea on start times for Saturday? I'm not after individual times - just a guide to when the races start as I will be travelling up from London and need to know if I must come up on Friday night or can get away with a Saturday morning train. Thanks |
| Subject: Start times on Saturday |
| Posted by: Steve Watkins |
| Date: 26-Oct-2008 |
| Start times for the first race are from 11am to 12 noon. |
| Subject: pud |
| Posted by: ShUOCer |
| Date: 28-Oct-2008 |
| ShUOC have a minibus full coming! |
| Subject: BRILLIANT |
| Posted by: Phil - Claro |
| Date: 1-Nov-2008 |
| Organisation - Brilliant First Two Races - Brilliant Socilaising between races - Brilliant - when do we ever do that normally opn some windswept location?! Well done Aire - looking forward to Skipton tomorrow |
| Subject: Great Race |
| Posted by: Rob ShUOC |
| Date: 2-Nov-2008 |
| Chasing Sprint was fab today, well organised - come to sheffield on the 22nd of November for more fun! |
| Subject: Yorkshire Pudding |
| Posted by: Guy Goodair epoc |
| Date: 2-Nov-2008 |
| Thanks to all concerned for a really enjoyable weekend! |
| Subject: Uncrossable fences |
| Posted by: Nick Campbell |
| Date: 3-Nov-2008 |
| Thank you very much for the great events - only 1 query - do competitors not know the rules? Does not "uncrossable fence" mean UNCROSSBALE whether it is 3 metres high or 1 metre high (or whether or not the gate is open (centre of park in sprint!!). Saw a number of incidences on both days. |
| Subject: **yorkshire pudding thanks** |
| Posted by: liddy |
| Date: 3-Nov-2008 |
| thank you aire for a really well-organised and well-planned weekend; i thoroughly enjoyed both day-time events. the refund for public transport users, like myself, was a very good idea; one that i trust will catch on amongst other clubs. :-) |
| Subject: Uncrossable fences |
| Posted by: Andrew Kelly |
| Date: 3-Nov-2008 |
| You're right Nick. It's fairly obvious from the results at least some of those in our class didn't go round on 18-19. I expect this was done in ignorance though, but is something that needs addressing for future. |
| Subject: Not so much tricksy as downright dishonest |
| Posted by: James Curtis |
| Date: 4-Nov-2008 |
| Control 181 at Skipton. Yes, very funny. Ha Ha. And you're sending pensioners in there? They might not get back out. Neither will the organizers either once I've pegged them down in that ditch with tent pegs & rope. Hope you enjoy spending the night in muddy ditches? "In they go, one by one." |
| Subject: 181 at Skipton |
| Posted by: Chris Burden |
| Date: 4-Nov-2008 |
| What happened there James? Yes it was boggy - but not that bad - well, not by normal cross country orienteering standards. Most of the "pensioners" "got out" ok. You obviously had a worse experience. |
| Subject: 181 |
| Posted by: Lynden Hartmann |
| Date: 4-Nov-2008 |
| Oh dear poor James! - I'm not yet a oensioner (not far off) and perhaps i was a bit cross my shoes got a bit muddy but the control was hardly remarkable - did you do this year's JK relays James - I don' think so. With regard to the gate on the north of the park. On my map - Prologue course 3 - the red line neatly obliterates the black line of the gate and shows it as run through (check the map on routegadget - it's even worse on paper) perhaps the people you saw use the gate had the same leg as me. The "uncharacteristically fast splits" are very obvious on the Splitbrouser graphs (ignore anything in Skipton involving control 165 - it wasn't working properly) |
| Subject: Lynden's Uncrossable line at the Gate |
| Posted by: Chris Burden |
| Date: 4-Nov-2008 |
| As stated "in another place" this was a cartographic error. The gate has never been shut to my knowledge. Haven't taken a look at all the various earlier versions of the map but can't recall this error being there before. It was one of the earliest bits drawn. The event map was last updated on 24 October. A bit at a loss as to how the error occurred. When I corrected it (after the race) it was not a continuous uncrossable black line but two uncrossable lines which overlapped, each finishing the wrong side of the gap. Very odd. Apologies for this, and for me and Ian not spotting where the uncut purple lines obscured passageways. |
| Subject: gate |
| Posted by: Lynden Hartmann |
| Date: 4-Nov-2008 |
| To be honest Chris I don't think the gate or the over print were much of a problem - not on course 3 anyway - I only went through because I thought it would be nicer to run through the park than down the road - it certainly didn't save any time! |
| Subject: Yorkshire Pudding weekend |
| Posted by: Dick Keighley |
| Date: 4-Nov-2008 |
| Thanks AIRE for an excellent weekend. I've finally got the mud off my shoes today (but if I'd done the November Classic instead, the chances are that the mud would have swallowed my shoes, apparently). My only irritation was seeing two people en route to attempting to scale the uncrossable fence between 163 & 161 on Course 3. I shouted at them that it was marked uncrossable and one of them, a lady, went round the proper way. The other person, a man, muttered something I didn't catch and crossed it anyway. You can easily see who it was from his split! |
| Subject: Uncrossable obstacles |
| Posted by: Nick Jones |
| Date: 5-Nov-2008 |
| I now how annoying it is when we see someone crossing a feature marked as uncrossable. (as planner it can also ruin the route choice options you have set) Actually the legend refers to these features as Impassable. Sometimes it may be a genuine error (perhaps from unfamilarity with the mapping conventions) but sometimes it seems to be blatant cheating (is that being too harsh?). I wonder if there is an element of interpretation being undertaken as some of these "uncrossable" features are in fact "physically easy" to cross. However it is NOT up to a competitor to interpret the information in this fashion or to second guess why the mapper/planner/organiser/land owner has mapped a feature as "uncrossable". It is for the competitor to comply with the information provided by the map. Sould the annotation be changed to NOT TO BE CROSSED. This would be a clear instruction/prohibition and not open to interpretation, however "physically easy" the feature may be to cross. |
| Subject: impassable |
| Posted by: Steve Whitehead |
| Date: 6-Nov-2008 |
| Sometimes it's ignorance, sometimes deliberate cheating. As time goes on, more people will get to know the rule but only if organisers emphasise it. Then we will be left with the cheats and they will only be stopped by checking and disqualifying. The competitor cannot judge the "impassability" for him/herself because sometimes it's the landowner that doesn't want a fence to be crossed even if it is physically easy to cross it. Steve |
| Subject: Uncrossable features |
| Posted by: Guy Goodair |
| Date: 6-Nov-2008 |
| I know one of my fellow club members who ran at the weekend who had never done of these events before and because of being familiar with conventional O legends did not look at the legend during the fast and furious racing - I think that as more people are trying it for the first time it might help if there was a board showing the differences (ie uncrossable walls etc) is prominently displayed in the start lanes and stating anyone transgressing risks disqualification - Then they cannot plead ingorance! |
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